A deeper recession on the Horizon?

[Auryn]

The $27 figure included benefits, but still thats entry level.
thats a lot of money for basically unskilled labor on a factory floor doing mind numbing repetitive tasks.

At the rate we are going we will have a great defense system and diddly squat to defend

[SirRichardBear]

Merlin the Elder I agree that the problem can't be laid on one or two admin.  I put the problem as starting with FDR and was made much worst with LBJ  it was those two that taught the government that it could buy votes to stay in power using tax payer money.  Once the government learn that lession we lost all hope of having a reasonable government.  Nothing is going to stop the slide till country is totally bankrupt and we reach third world status. 

I disagree that government eliminated controls over banking and other industries it didn't it just changed the name of the controls and switch the PR on the control.  The banking industy is the perfect example it eliminated some oversight but at the same time put in place more rules on loaning money so that the banks had a huge insetative to loan to people who could never be reasonable expected to pay the money back.    The outcome was easly predictable and was just what we got.

Remember the government never gives anything without taking two things away.

[Auryn]

SirRichard
totally agree on all you said except- the banks didnt force people to take out loans that they couldn't afford.
Each person is supposed to have the personal responsibility to look out for themselves and at least try to make intelligent decisions.
Did the banks set up the entire system to fail so they could line their pockets- of course they did, but it only worked because people choose to wallow in ignorance and expect someone to come rescue them rather than be responsible.

[Merlin the Elder]

It really makes you wonder just what kind of government we really have, doesn't it?  The United States is supposedly a republic, but is also called a democracy, yet it could arguably be described as an oligarchy at times, kind of what you are alluding to, Sir Richard. Washington can't seem to maintain control of things, and a few very rich people are able to push things in directions we don't need to be going in.

I think we can all agree that something has got to change. But extremism is no answer. A firm grip to turn this around is needed, but if you whip the rudder too hard, we are going to capsize.

Like it or not, we're tied into the global economy, which has been unstable for quite a number of years. According to economists, the banks have been broke for decades, and the only reason that they appear to maintain solvency is because they are carrying worthless loans (to countries), rather than writing them off as defaults. The problems are much deeper than most people even realize.

[Welsh Wench]

Easy--bring back Prohibition. Tax the speakeasies. Use the tax money to jumpstart the economy.
And maybe men will wear fedoras and trenchcoats again.

What was the topic again?
Oh yeah. The Depression.

[SirRichardBear]

I like fedoras and trenchcoats and was very disappointed that JFK ruined the hat industary.  I've a picture around some place of me as a kid maybe four or five going to Easter Sunday service wearing a fedora and a trenchcoat.  I'd love to see a return to people dressing for church, movies, dinner out. 

[Merlin the Elder]

I wouldn't mind the return of people dressing a little nicer for certain things. Someone sure needs to bring back good manners. Can't tell you how many times we go out to eat and there will be someone in the restaurant that leaves their ballcap on during dinner. Absolutely rude. 

[brier patch charlie]

Well, good manners and morals would help this country very much, and while were at it bring back Personal Responsibility. We stop with the Nanny State all the freebie crap, go from being a user nation back to a producing nation, then we might just be able to fix some of our problems.

[Auryn]

I LOVE THAT
I'm so glad I am not the only one who feels like that about people dressing nicer, men wearing hats again and personal responsibility

Why do those that make up the lowest common denominator of the population always make up the majority?

[DonaCatalina]

I LOVE THAT
I'm so glad I am not the only one who feels like that about people dressing nicer, men wearing hats again and personal responsibility

Why do those that make up the lowest common denominator of the population always make up the majority?

Numbers- sheer volume of people.IQ Percentiles Related to IQ Scores
•50% of IQ scores fall between 90 and 110
•70% of IQ scores fall between 85 and 115
•95% of IQ scores fall between 70 and 130
•99.5% of IQ scores fall between 60 and 140

[Merlin the Elder]

I would have thought I'd be safe in that 0.5% above the line...

[arbcoind]

I copied this comment from an article on the CNN website.  Jeff says:

Our sickness is that we are lazy, complacent, given to wishful thinking and can't seem to handle the real job of managing our countries affairs any more. 

I agree with the comment. 

And I used to wear a little dress suit, patent mary janes, a hat, and white gloves to go shopping in downtown Pittsburgh with my mom and grandmother.  We dressed like that for church and we even dressed very nicely for the zoo and hockey games.  If we tried to be more casual my dad would exclaim
"you look like a bum, go change your clothes!!!"

Gina

[Welsh Wench]

There's nothing that a nice little power suit, stilettos and Veronica Lake hair wouldn't fix.

The problem is we have become an instant I-want-it-now-hurry-up-microwave, self indulgent society.
Use it and throw it away. Kids for the most part don't work for what they want.

Quelle domage.


Besides, there is nothing that gets a woman's blood racing more than a man pushing up the brim of his fedora with the barrel of a gun so he can look in your eyes and....what?
Oh.
Wrong thread.

[Merlin the Elder]

Is it time to get my leisure suits out of moth-balls? 

[SirRichardBear]

small world arbcoind I remember my mother and grandmother taking me chirstmas shopping in down town Pittsburg I would put on a new suite with hat and coat my little sister would have a new dress and gloves just like you said and feel oh so grown up at 5 or so we felt.  I remember when Sunday best was just that you put on your best clothing to go to church and maybe stop someplace afterwards for dinner, everyone in suits and women in their best dress.  Last Chirstmas at church i saw tore jeans and t-shirts and even 19 20 years wearing PJ to Chirstmas midnight mass.  I was wearing propery highland dress kilt with Argle jacket the priest came up and said how nice it was to have someone dress for Chirstmas service.  I thought how sad that it a requires comment when someone dresses for propery for church